Updating Sin
According to the Associated Press, the Roman Catholic Church has recently updated its 'list of sins' (http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-vatican-sins,0,3514069.story). A careful reading of the Vatican's position, however, indicates that there's nothing new when it comes to a definition of 'sin' itself. Any change results from the necessity of the Church having to address contemporary problems and issues. The Roman Catholic Church, for example, believes it is now necessary to address issues such as genetic manipulation, mind-altering drugs, the imbalance between rich and poor, and environmental concerns. Monsignor Girotti, a Vatican spokesman, suggests the current emphasis '...has a weight, a resonance, that's especially social, rather than individual.'
In light of the Future Watch Group's intention to track trends in mass & church culture, this has me wondering...
- Has the evangelical marriage with the Republican party caused us to ignore the poor? A dialogue with a prominent African-American Christian leader provided me some insight concerning the tendency of African-Americans to support the Democratic party. In short, the policies of the Republican party do not help the poor. My own opinion: This is more than perception. Much of mainstream evangelical practice borders on health & wealth platitudes. So why is this a Future Watch concern? It is my observation that younger generations of evangelicals are increasingly less passionate about addressing the sins of our fathers (homosexual marriage, for example) and are more fired-up about issues such as social justice and environmental concerns. Admittedly, this is purely anecdotal and not the result of any formal survey of attitudes. However, I know of one group of teens that has stopped attending a prominent church because the church spent more on hiding exterior speakers in fake rocks than in helping the poor. (Granted, a little hypocrisy is present since the same group shops at a mall that does the same thing...but thankfully, the teens still expect more from church.) But, given the weight of biblical concern for the poor, perhaps the younger generation is on to something.
- Is the current discussion concerning "Question #7" about sin, tradition, or holiness? If it's about sin, it would seem to have a pre-determined end: A biblically-defined sinful act does not become 'un-sinful,' does it? If this concerns tradition, it's a different question: 'Time to change our tradition?' If this is about holiness, and I think it is, it becomes a slightly more difficult question. Do standards of 'holiness' change with cultural shifts? For example, having read about the roaring '20s, I understand why the holiness movement frowned on dancing. Dance halls were not nice places... far from it, in fact. Dancing at my high school prom, my wedding, or a friend's anniversary is a world apart. It seems that standards of holiness adjusted. In the context in which I pastor, I find myself having to sometimes explain 'Question #7' to an increasingly stymied church. At a post-Christmas caroling event two years ago, the host had a cooler of beer beside the cooler of Coke. As the men gravitated to the basement to peruse hunting trophies, the host casually handed beer to each guy headed downstairs. In the brief discussion which resulted, about the only comment that resulted from my explanation was, "Wow, I didn't know anyone believed that,' as he sipped his beer. Certainly, a discussion about sexual purity on-line would have generated much more serious, and relevant, concern.
Understand, I'm not suggesting that definitions of biblically-defined sinful behavior can change. Simply, does the application of holiness to life adjust ... particularly if we're asking questions about future trends?
Bud Daneker

12 Comments:
Good question. I assume that "question #7" has to do with the use of alcohol by E.C. Pastors. One of the things that I am learning is just how committed God was and is to being known by the world. Everything that God has done since the beginning of time has been toward this end, to be known. God chose Israel to make them a voice, to draw them as a picture, that would show the world who God was. God chose Israel for the world. But Israel chose instead to characterize themselves as elite and special over and against the world and in the process obscured and made God less accessible. God did not give up but instead sent Jesus as the picture, as the one who would make God known. Then Jesus established the Church to be his presence in the world to make God known. But the church has often done just what Israel did and set itself over and against the world. Is "holiness" that obscures God truly holiness? For example, When those I work among learn that I abstain from alcohol and that there is a rule about it, they see no virtue in my abstinance. When they inquire if the Bible requires this rule and I have to explain that is doesn't this makes my abstinence even less significant for them. As far as they can see I am simply following a rule as a condition of my employment. Discussing the reasons why I might choose to abstain regardless of a rule carries little if any weight since in their mind I have no choice. God is not particularly honored or his heart made known to those individuals by my rule keeping and in fact a case can be made that the presence of the rule creates confusion and obscures God. Is this holiness? I have several other issues with this which I will save for another post.
Tim
4:51 PM
Exactly. Or ditto. Or I agree with the comment. Whatever the heck you do on these things.
10:09 PM
I (Bob) find the whole thing a non-starter.
Even if--Q#7 is changed and referenced to the Christian Practice section of the DISC. (removing specific reference to alcohol and tobacco here);
Even if--abstinence is changed from the "only truly responsible position" to the "most responsible" in the Christian Practice section; and
Even if--the intent is to "eliminate" abstinence as a "criteria for membership;"
I still do not see anything changing for pastors. If pastors are suppose to be an "example of the believers," then affirming the "most responsible position" is the only way to go. Why wouldn't we do the most responsible thing? Also, wouldn't we expect our members to do the most responsible thing?
If abstinence is the most responsible position, does this mean there are lesser, yet still responsible Christian positions? Are there degrees of holiness as we bump up against our culture?
One more thought. In the era of the "priesthood of all believers," should the standards be different between pastor and people?
4:35 PM
Hmm, I don't think there are degrees of holiness. I am wrestling with the tho't that practices that are considered 'holy' at one time & place might change. I'm not sure about that...perhaps we're guilty of a kind of Pharisaism when it comes to defining holiness, I don't know. But it seems to me that historically, something we've defined as 'holy' in the past no longer is! And, I'm really troubled by the whole concept of 'most responsible Christian position' for just the reasons you've sited... are there 'less responsible positions?' And if so, can this same tho't be applied in other areas of Christian morality? If so, we start to sound Clintonesque in having to define what 'is' is. Bud
9:27 AM
For the record, I agree that the language, "most responsible position" is not the "most helpful" but it is still helpful.
But really the bigger issue is this holiness question. Is holiness about some standard of purity or is it about the nature of a relationship. In going through a series on the fruit of the spirit the last one being self-control I came across this interesting thought, "So, when Paul lists self-control here as the last of the fruit it simply tells us that for the sake of the goal towards which he strives, the commission which he has been given and the task which he must fulfill, he refrains from all the things which might offend or hamper. But in some ways, if we are not careful, we might assume that it is particular behaviors that constitute self-control instead of an attitude, a resolve to simply be obedient to the mission of God. It is not for Paul’s own sake, or for the sake of any requirement for his salvation, but for the sake of his friends and those he wants to reach that he practices self-control. This is the fundamental difference from all Greek philosophical conceptions of self-control." I think we could read "self-control" in this as "holiness" and have an accurate description that shifts the emphasis away from particular behaviors to single minded adherance to the mission of God in the world that informs each choice we make in regard to our behavior.
Thoughts?
Tim
9:35 PM
Yes, I agree! That's helpful, defining holiness with a very strong relationship component. It seems to make sense, and helps with some of my frustration with Paul...his practices regarding circumcision, for example. It's always bugged me that he asked Timothy to do this! Why didn't he stand his ground? Or, his discussion about eating meat offered to idols. Obviously, according to Paul himself, there's a right answer: What you eat isn't the issue. So, why doesn't he just insist that people 'grow up?' But when applying this relational understanding, it makes more sense.
12:15 PM
So, please clarify and apply this to Q#7.
It seems in some places Paul does tell them to "grow up!" To the Corinthian church he says, "I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court. . . . My conscience is clear. . . . It is the Lord who judges me." Granted, what Paul may be addressing here may or may not have anything to do with holiness, but certainly with what he feels is right. He's more interested in God's perspective. And again, John says, . . . if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God . . ."
If holiness is relational it is a heart matter.
I'm not sure of the history behind Q#7 nor the other Qs, but are we afraid of something? I do know at least one other evangelical church with similar standards never has their clergy or members recite such a pledge.
3:20 PM
Well, I suppose I'm thinking this: Paul's, "When I'm w/ the Jews, I live like a Jew," is what is behind Paul's decision to have Timothy circumcised. This strikes me as having a 'relational' motive. As to how this relates to the issue at hand: Having read all the comments, the discussion seems to center on the nature of holiness. Is holiness, at its core, relational? And, finally, if so, is this similar to Paul's discussion about food offered to idols? Don't know the answer... doesn't bug me much either way.
8:35 PM
By the way, having just posted the previous comment, I am wondering: What is a 'non-starter' as is mentioned in a previous comment?
8:36 PM
By "non-starter" I'm only refering to Q#7. That is, there is no reason to get "excited" (pro or con)about the proposed changes to Q#7 and the related statements in the Disc. The changes in wording are not substantive. That is, nothing (to my thinking) really changes. I won't bore you again with the reasons given above.
I have no problem with "relational" holiness as discussed above. But I wish to be more concrete about how it relates to Q#7. Are you saying that just like dancing was rightly forbidden in the past because of the roaring 20s but is OK now, drinking was rightly condemned in the past but is or should be OK now?
By the way, I was apalled you had dancing at your wedding!!!
11:39 AM
Ha! Well, no, I didn't have dancing at my wedding. Frankly, I don't recall if it was a $$ decision or remnants of the 'no dancing' prohibitions. But I've certainly enjoyed the dancing at lots of the weddings at which I've officiated, and wish I had my wedding to do over! Anyway, I think that yes, I equate the no drinking to the no dancing. I think it has nothing to do with holiness. If not for a vow I took, it wouldn't even be a concern for me...don't need to drink, don't need to not drink. I just don't care. Bud
9:57 AM
Little response to the dialogue. We should all be sure to read "unChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks about Christianity...and why it matters", by David Kinnaman and Gabe Lyons for the Barna Group, Baker Books, Grand Rapids, 2007. Eye opening research about how hard sharing the real Jesus is becoming because seeing Jesus for many is becoming harder as they have to penetrate the smog his professed followers put into the picture.
2:15 PM
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